Xinjiang and Uyghurs — What You’re Not Being Told

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“1 million Uyghur Muslims in concentration camps!” … “Ethnic Cleansing and Cultural Genocide!” … the western media is very effective at using emotional phrases. But what’s the real story? Let’s go beyond exaggeration, distortion and sensationalism.

First of all, the media will never show the peaceful, prosperous parts of Xinjiang:

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Grand Bazaar in Urumqi, capital of Xinjiang

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And Western media won’t talk about the billions of dollars that China has invested in Xinjiang, modernizing the cities, building 21 airports, linking the region with bullet trains etc. Here’s a video of Urumqi, the capital of Xinjiang. See how prosperous it is:

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High-Speed Railway in Xinjiang

In 2018, the 21 airports in Xinjiang handled 33 million passengers

The Chinese government’s efforts are reflected in the exponential GDP growth of the Xinjiang region. In 2020, extreme poverty in Xinjiang was completely eliminated!

Regarding the Muslim minority, there are thousands of mosques in Xinjiang, a region whose recorded history goes back more than 2000 years when the ancient Silk Road linked China to Italy and Greece. In China, there are mosques that were built in the 10th century, which demonstrates the tolerance and respect for religious rights in Chinese society.

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There are about 20,000 mosques in Xinjiang

Many westerners don’t understand that Uyghurs are not the only Muslims in China. There are also 20+ million “Hui” Muslims, who are different from Uyghurs and are living peacefully throughout China. Then there are other Chinese Muslim ethnic groups such as Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Tatars, Uzbeks, and Salars, who also have no problems with the government.

As for religious freedom, there are thousands of Imams who lead the mosques in Xinjiang; and here is Abudulrickv Tumyazi, President of Xinjiang Islamic Association, giving an interview:

Here are two photos of large numbers of Uyghurs praying in Kashgar and Turpan, two cities in Xinjiang:

Like a few other provinces, Xinjiang is an “autonomous” region, which means it is run by Uyghurs for the most part. For example, the current governor is Shohrat Zakir, an Uyghur man who’s been in charge since 2014.

Also to remember are two nuggets of information: Xinjiang is a really vast region — it’s four times as large as California (!); and Uyghurs make up only about 40% of Xinjiang’s population. Overall, Uyghurs account for only 0.7% of China’s population. That’s about the same percentage as the Native American population in the U.S. now.

Does this sound like genocide?

Consider the following facts and ask yourself if they sound like genocide of Uyghurs:

  • Uyghurs were exempted from the one-child policy that China initiated in 1978.
  • Uyghur population in Xinjiang has doubled in the last forty years. Between 2010 and 2018, the Uyghur population in Xinjiang grew by 25% (while Han population in that region grew by 2%).
  • Also, life expectancy in Xinjiang has increased from just 30 to more than 74 since 1949.
  • Uyghurs (and other minorities in China) also get many preferential treatments — Chinese affirmative action — in colleges and other areas.
  • Xinjiang’s GDP has grown 1000% in the last 20 years; and absolute poverty in the region has been totally eradicated.

Uyghurs are living longer, growing in population, and becoming wealthier. What a strange way for China to eliminate Uyghurs!

Not all Uyghurs are the same

Now, let’s break down the facts. There are four types of Uyghur Muslims:

  1. Well-educated Uyghurs who are moderate/secular Muslims
  2. Poor and lower middle-class Uyghurs
  3. Nomads
  4. Separatists and terrorists

Moderate/Secular Uyghurs

These are middle or upper middle-class Muslims who enjoy normal lives, have good jobs, and integrate easily with the mainstream Chinese culture. There are even popular Uyghur musicians, rappers (here’s an example), TV hosts, politicians etc. in China. Here are two famous Uyghur actresses — Guli Nazha and Dilraba Dilmurat. There are also male Uyghur actors like Merxat Yalkun.

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Uyghur Actresses

Uyghur kids from educated families go to schools, live normal lives and have a lot of fun on social media like Tik Tok (“Douyin” in China):

And here is an upper class Uyghur wedding, for which obviously the family must have spent a lot of money!

Politically, there are also powerful Uyghur people. One such example is Arken Imirbaki, who has been the Vice Chairman of the National People’s Congress since 2013. More importantly he’s a member of the powerful Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party.

Then there is An Waer, the Uyghur man who is the Chinese ambassador to Bahrain, the Islamic country in the Middle East! Below are the pictures of Imirbaki and Waer.

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And Uyghurs serve in the Chinese military as well. Here are some Uyghur women in the PLA (People’s Liberation Army):

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Working Class Uyghurs

There are also many working class Uyghurs who may own restaurants and gift shops or work as artists and craftsmen in touristy places. Their lives aren’t bad and most of them don’t get into trouble with the government. here’s a quick slideshow :

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Really Poor Uyghurs

Then there are really poor Uyghurs who live in slums. These are prime targets for recruitment by jihadists. Many of these Uyghur kids work on the streets and shine shoes or help their families with menial jobs like taking care of donkeys, camels etc.

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When the Chinese government mandates that these children go to school, the Western media scream bloody murder. What hypocrisy! If these Uyghurs come to the US, the children will be forced to attend schools as well. Here is a school that the “evil CCP” forces the Uyghur kids to attend:

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Most of these kids don’t even speak Chinese, which greatly limits their abilities to find jobs later on as adults. So when they learn Chinese in school, the western propaganda screams, “cultural genocide.” Sheer idiocy!

The BBC admits that the “communist” (gasp!) government has spent $1.2 billion in the last five years on upgrading and building new schools for children in Xinjiang. This should be applauded, not demonized!

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The Chinese government has done a phenomenal job by lifting 3 million Uyghur Muslims out of poverty between 2014 and 2019. Of course, the western media will never talk about it.

Whining about relocations

China watchers endlessly whine about relocation of Uyghurs. For example, in this article, the propaganda outlet Radio Free Asia (RFA) cries about how about 400 Uyghur families in a remote village were relocated by the Chinese government. However, the article admits that these people used to live in houses made of mud and reed [grass]; and they didn’t have TV, phones, electricity or even running water. This is not “Uyghur culture”; this is simply extreme poverty. If living like this is so great, why don’t we all go back to the 18th century?

Here’s a 30-second clip on how a desert town called Aktash in Xinjiang was modernized and helped relocate 14,000 ultra-poor Uyghurs. Anyone who has lived in a developing nation and seen harsh poverty and slums … will appreciate the virtue of such programs.

Watch this quick video about how the Chinese government helped a rural Uyghur family in Xinjiang move into modern housing and helped everyone in the family get jobs. This is a true humanitarian approach that focuses on poverty alleviation/reduction.

By the way, if these Uyghurs continued living in extreme poverty, the western talking heads will cry, “Oh, look, the Hans in Shanghai have skyscrapers, while neglecting the poor Uyghurs living in mud houses.” You can’t please these Sinophobic spin-doctors.

Nomadic Uighurs

Then there are Uyghurs who are herders and nomads in the vast Xinjiang region. Here’s a quick slideshow:

Although it seems romantic, their lives are not compatible with modern days. Most of them are stuck in extreme poverty and their kids also grow up completely illiterate. Sometimes the Chinese government relocates tens of thousands of these people into the cities and gives them jobs, free housing, health care etc. Of course, US media will spin this as “ethnic cleansing.” (The government has helped millions of Chinese people in other areas get out of extreme poverty by similar relocation projects as well).

Many of these nomads appreciate the new life: “With central heating, gas, running water, Internet and cable TV, we no longer need to worry about things that troubled us in the past.”

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Sometimes, if the parents don’t want to give up their nomadic lives, the government may move the children to boarding schools, where they get free lodging, meals and education.

Separatists and Terrorists

China has struggled with terrorism since 1990 when Uyghur Mujahideens returned from Afghanistan. However, China failed in explaining the terrorist problem to the rest of the world. So, of course, western media took control of the narrative. Now CGTN has released a few documentaries (like this one), which is a good start. Here’s a 1-min excerpt:

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History of Western Subversion

What is not mentioned in the mainstream media is that the West has been stroking separatism in Xinjiang since the 1950s! When the Chinese communists won in 1949 (by defeating the US-supported faction, which went on to establish Taiwan as the new fake China), the US started arming/funding separatists in Tibet and Xinjiang.

Intelligence documents declassified in the 1990s show how the US gave millions of dollars every year to Tibetan dissidents, including Dalai Lama. Then the US also trained Tibetan guerillas in Nepal as well as in Colorado.

As for Xinjiang separatists, the US brought in a lot of these extremists into Germany in the 1970s and helped them foment a movement for “East Turkestan.”  Currently, the so-called “World Uyghur Congress” (WUC) is funded and glorified by the US government through NGOs such as National Endowment of Democracy (NED) — which also played a major role in the Tiananmen Square clashes in 1989 (see my article) and Hong Kong riots (see my blog post). NED is just a front for regime change operations by the USA. Allen Weinstein was the man who played a key role in the creation of NED in the early 1980s. Many years later, he openly admitted that, “A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.”

In Dec 2020, NED tweeted that it had been funding Uyghur separatism since 2004. To really rub it in, the tweet showed Xinjiang with the blue “Turkestan” flag. Incredible hubris and chutzpah.

As British politician, writer and journalist George Galloway revealed, the U.S. was trying to use Bin Laden in a proxy war against China in the early 1990s.

Much of the recent atrocity propaganda stories come merely from hearsay testimonies of WUC members and separatists. There are also horror stories about organ harvesting spread by Falun Gong members in the so-called China Tribunal.

WUC is led by a woman named Rebiya Kadeer, who used to be … the richest woman in all of China! That’s how much discrimination she faced as an Uyghur. While she’s spreading all kinds of lies now, her granddaughters back in Xinjiang made her a video that shows how Uyghurs are enjoying modern subway/metro systems and upscale malls that feature stores like Gucci and Versace.

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Fake News and Atrocity Propaganda

As for the allegations, it’s worthwhile to point to a 2014 NY Times article that called the refugee/asylum process an “Industry of Lies.” It talks about how refugees from China and elsewhere were taught to make up horror stories which were, of course, impossible to verify. Later, US federal officials secretly recorded conversations of lawyers coaching their clients to lie. The article concluded that, “most asylum applications were at least partly false, from fabricated narratives of persecution to counterfeit supporting documents and invented witness testimony.” However, now that China is officially a geopolitical enemy, every allegation from anti-China separatists must be totally believed!

Radio Free Asia (RFA) — run by the US government — publishes and broadcasts endless amount of fake news about China and Uyghurs. Most of the RFA stories are purely wild claims that are completely unsubstantiated. For example, a recent sensational story was “Xinjiang’s mosque was replaced a toilet.” Where is the picture of the old mosque? Where is the picture of the toilet? None shows. The photo in the article is completely unrelated and undated. If this kind of tabloid journalism is sad, what’s sadder is that dozens of other websites and even some mainstream media republish stories from the RFA.

Another source for crazy propaganda is the social media, where people post sensational fake photos and videos that quickly go viral (revealing the average IQ of people on social media).

  • For example, Uyghur separatists/activists posted a picture of a man with eyes and lips stitched, and claimed that China was doing this to Uighurs. However, it was a picture from 17 years ago of an Iranian refugee in the UK.
  • In another instant, a video of Indonesian police beating up a thief was posted as “Chinese beating up a Muslim for reading the Quran.” And that stupid video got millions of views.
  • The President of Uyghurs Projects Foundation tweeted a picture of children in the trunk of a car and claimed that Uyghurs were being forced into homelessness by cruel China. Well, it turned out to be a picture of Romanians going on a holiday more than a decade ago in Germany!
  • A viral video in 2020 claimed to show handcuffed and blindfolded Uyghurs being led by the police. It was actually an old video from another province (Guizhou) where some non-Uyghur (Han) people got caught in a massive financial fraud (pyramid scheme).

Some more examples mentioned in the video below.

Fake News in Mainstream Media

Mainstream US media is no better. For example, Forbes wanted to write an article about “forced labor” in Xinjiang. When they couldn’t find any real photo, they just went to Getty image and bought an old picture — from ten years ago — of a shoe factory in Chile and used it instead! No journalistic ethics.

Here are two more laughable propaganda from mainstream people. First, an NPR reporter, Emily Feng, tweeted that China put communist hammer, sickle and star on a mosque. This ignorant person doesn’t even know that a crescent moon and star is a very Islamic symbol that is found in mosques as well as flags of many Muslim countries (like on Pakistan and Turkey flags). BTW, here’s the hammer and sickle symbol. Then there is Timothy Grose, a professor from Indiana, who says that a Chinese dentist teaching a Uyghur child how to brush teeth properly is … a symbol of colonization! American propaganda really destroys human brain cells.

In late August 2020, BuzzFeed News published a sensational article that claimed that Baidu — China’s Google-like app — hides and blanks out “concentration camps” on maps! Well, guess what? Baidu didn’t hide anything; and, more importantly, the ominous looking buildings turned out to be nice suburban apartment buildings, some of which are rated five stars. This is utterly despicable and unethical journalism that callously spreads malicious lies.

Concentration camps or luxury apartment complexes?

Then there is ASPI (Australian Strategic Policy Institute) — a fake think tank from Australia — that is funded by western governments (US, UK, Australia etc.) and also weapons manufacturers such as Lockheed Martin. ASPI constantly spreads Sinophobia. Like Buzzfeed, it also uses satellite images to claim that any building in Xinjiang with a fence or a wall is a “detention center” or “re-education camp” or “concentration camp”. It’s a full-time job to debunk these wild and crazy claims. China’s Global Times went through several coordinates and published the details of actual buildings, which ranged from schools to nursing homes. Here’s an example of a scary looking satellite image that turns out to be an elementary school:

“Mekit 4”: coordinates 38.9046N + 77.6153E

And how about the iconic photo that has been constantly used by western media for the last two years? This allegedly secret photo is often the first (and the only) proof that people bring up for the existence of concentration camps:

Photo from 2014 misleadingly used for sensational western propaganda

First of all, the above photo is not a secret asset that brave western journalists or spies obtained heroically. It’s from a Chinese government’s website — here’s the link! This was a big event that the local Xinjiang government proudly shared to show how it’s fighting extremism. Second, this was just a 3-day de-radicalization program. Western propaganda shamelessly turned this into a Nazi-like concentration camp.

1 million, 3 million, who cares?

There’s an echo chamber of fake news, where the US/western governments, think tanks, NGO’s and media repeat evidence-free claims, conspiracy theories, and lies. This incestuous relationship is revealed in this quick interview with Omer Kanat, Chairman of World Uyghur Congress (WUC). He tells Max Blumenthal, “We think there are 1 million people in education camps. We don’t know for sure. It’s an estimate from the media.”

The big 1,000,000 claim

The “concentration camps” story first came out in 2018 during the intense US-China trade negotiations. Coincidence? Not! In early 2018, Radio Free Asia (RFA) first came out with the bombshell story, claiming that 120,000 Uyghurs were being detained. (RFA is funded by the US government and was blatantly operated by the CIA during the Cold War against the USSR).

As the trade deal stalled, the US upped the ante and increased the number to 1 million! This was based on a fake study by another US government’s NED-funded group called China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD), which worked with a German guy named Adrian Zenz — an absolute, far-right, Christian, religious zealot — and came up with the 1 million number.

Adrian Zenz

Whatever Adrian Zenz writes about China gets widely published western media and taken as unimpeachable truth. This conspiracy theorist doesn’t speak Chinese, has visited China only once (13 years ago), and was never a “China scholar.” However, he is a religious extremist who co-authored one book about “rapture” — the time when Jesus will allegedly come back and all the non-Christians — Muslim Uyghurs included — will burn in fire. This unhinged guy is just a propaganda tool for western intelligence.

Now, let’s look at how Zenz came up with his “1 million” number. He came to this dubious conclusion after (allegedly) interviewing EIGHT people! Basically, the strategy is to talk to some separatists from some remote villages in Xinjiang, get nice round estimates (250, 500 etc.), and extrapolate/multiply for the entire Uyghur population! Also, notice how they don’t even reveal the name of the villages! How can Chinese officials verify or refute this hatchet job? This is preposterous, without an iota of logic or objectivity! Here’s the link to the actual study and a screenshot of the “stats”:

Childish Statistics Behind the “1 Million” Number

Then an American – Gay McDougall – went to a UN group meeting and repeated the 1 million claim. Soon, all the mainstream media shouted that the “UN says there are 1 million Uyghurs in camps.” Later, a famous Uyghur “activist” – Rushan Abbas – went on Reddit and pumped up the number to 3 million! Insane propaganda that has no limit.

Muslim Countries Support China

However, to the dismay of propagandists, no Muslim country is buying the “concentration camps” narrative. Turkey is the closest to Uyghurs, who are of Turkic origin. Turkish leader Erdogan was in China in 2019 and said that the Uyghur re-education centers won’t affect China-Turkey relations.

Erdogan Xi July 2019

Indonesia — the largest Muslim country in the world —has also said that it understands China’s predicament of dealing with separatists. Similarly Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia and even Saudi Arabia have dismissed the sensational stories. Many diplomats and reporters have visited these Xinjiang camps and have come out reassured. Even the World Bank went to Xinjiang in 2019 and looked at the vocational programs and came back fully satisfied!

Here’s a video of journalists and diplomats visiting a classroom in a re-education camp in Xinjiang:

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Oh, on the other hand, the US and the EU even refused to visit these camps. It’s a lot easier to sit back and spread fake news.

In 2019, 57 Muslim countries from the Organization of Islamic Council expressed support for China’s Xinjiang strategy. In 2020, 46 countries told the Human Rights Council at the UN that they support China’s handling of Muslims and other minorities.

Other countries have de-radicalization programs too! And Europe fights radical Islam, closes down mosques, regulates Islamic teaching etc.

One surprising but little mentioned fact is that other countries have similar programs! Malaysia, for example, has its own de-radicalization programs for ISIS fighters returning from Syria! When Kazakhstan has a rehab programs for radicalized people, the New York Times writes a sympathetic article and makes the program look like Disneyland!

France tried its own de-radicalization programs for Islamic extremists and has now said it won’t allow “political Islam”, will crack down on separatists, and ban foreign funding of French mosques & Imams (preachers). Macron wants only state-certified Imams to teach in mosques; and says that radicalized Islamists are the biggest threats since Hitler! French Prime Minister said that “radical Islam” is the enemy. France and many other European countries have also shut down mosques, banned home-schooling, banned burqas, niqabs, and even hijabs in schools and government. France even arrests 10-year-old children under a law called “apology for terrorism,” if the children express the wrong opinions!

Hmmm … what about freedom of speech, freedom of religion, human rights, blah blah ….?

Screenshot of an article about French re-education camps for terrorists:

Germany also has de-radicalization programs and even a judge in the US has sentenced some jihadists to a program affiliated with the German one! But the “China Bad” people are obsessed with one country. In 2020, Germany declared that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization and shut down many mosques. In 2016, Germany banned another Islamic group and raided whopping 190 mosques.

By the way, China said in late 2019 that it has shut down all these rehab/vocational training centers. But the western smear campaign continues…

One last important note …

One more historical perspective: In the 1980s, many Uygurs went to Afghanistan and joined the Mujahideen war against the Soviet Union. When the war ended in 1989, these radicalized fighters returned to Xinjiang and brought the diseases of Wahhabism and jihadism. In 1990, they launched a major terrorist attack in the township of Baren. When China started cracking down on the jihadists, many went back to Afghanistan, got funded by Bin Laden (and Saudi Arabia?), and started a terrorist group called East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM) around 1998.

In 2002 (and a few times since then), the UN officially labeled ETIM as a terrorist organization linked to Al Qaeda. Later, this group changed its name to Turkestan Islamic Party (TIP), but it’s the same terrorist organization. In an utterly disgusting move, the Trump administration de-listed ETIM from the terrorist list after losing the re-election in Nov 2020. Now, the U.S. can openly fund, arm and train Uyghur terrorists. Think about that.

Ironically or hypocritically, the US periodically bombs Uyghur ETIM terrorists in Afghanistan and even keeps some Uyghur terrorists in Guantanamo!

From 2008 to 2015, there were a lot of terrorist attacks — suicide bombings, explosives, knife attacks, car attacls etc. — by the Uyghur jihadists (here’s an example) within China. Even during the 2008 Beijing Olympics, Uyghur terrorists launched suicide bombings in Xinjiang. That’s when China decided to really crack down. By the way, this is also the reason why China banned Twitter, Facebook and Google, which were all operating in China until 2009. When China requested data on the rioters and jihadists, the American social media companies refused. Yes, US media and social media are all tools of color revolutions and the military-spy complex.

Furthermore, during the peak of the Syrian war, about 18,000 radicalized Uyghur Muslims went to Syria and joined ISIS to fight Assad.

Below is a slideshow of Uyghur terrorists (members of ETIM, TIP, Al Qaeda and ISIS) and their radicalized children in Syria.

  • Uyghur terrorists’ children camp
  • Uyghur rebels in Syria
  • Flag of “Turkestan”
  • Uyghur radicals and their school for girls
  • Uyghur jihadists with ISIS
  • Uyghur Refugees in Istanbul, Turkey
  • Uyghur kids in Syria-Turkey border
  • Hundreds of Chinese have been caught in recent months trying to sneak out of China without passports, and into southeast Asian countries including Vietnam.

Conclusion

Xinjiang also has a lot of economic implications. China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) had more than 9,600 freight trains going through Xinjiang, while carrying goods between China and Europe in 2020. There are also many oil/gas pipelines from Central Asia that go through Xinjiang to power China’s industrial economy. An unstable Xinjiang will wreak havoc on the Chinese economy.

Belt and Road

The Chinese government is trying to help the poor people and fight the jihadists at the same time. While the West cries crocodile tears, Uyghurs are dancing and singing on “Uyghur Got Talent”:

On a similar note, if you go to YouTube, you can find numerous Uyghur channels, where they have songs and dances — traditional and modern, soap operas, talk shows, games, and more. Here are some I found through casual browsing: Yurtum TV, Diyarim Media, Uyghur Telewiziyesi, Uyghur Songs, Uyghur Beauty, and Uyghur Song.

There are also Pinterest boards like this one that shows thriving, beautiful Uyghur culture.

A really good vlogger is “Anni from Xinjiang.” She travels all over Xinjiang and visits shops, restaurants, and even homes of regular people. Although she speaks in Chinese and Uyghur languages, her videos on the YouTube channel are wonderful resources.

In conclusion, the US really needs to fix its foreign policy, which is now based on chaos, confrontation, proxy wars, Machiavellian divide-and-conquer strategies, lies, hypocrisy, disinformation, and endless propaganda. The US needs a positive approach that’s based on cooperation, friendly competition and ethical policies.

Related blog posts:

Uyghur-Xinjiang Issue Explained in Four Minutes (Quick summary for those who hate long articles)

Xinjiang in pictures (slideshow)

198 comments

  1. America should get its own house in order before accusing others. “1 million Uyghur Muslims in concentration camps” sounds more like another “Huawei is spying on us” propaganda.

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  3. So, may I ask, to clarify this article, would it be safe to travel there to see this for myself, ask questions of local people and officials without fear of government reprisal toward myself or others I would speak to?
    I’m very confused by both sides using propaganda and disinformation.
    I have seen the western media side on the Uyghur situation, as well as the Chinese answer to these allegations.
    Both sides seem to have quite fair points, though without seeing things for myself I’m worried that anyone who may wish to find out the truth would be likely accused of espionage or of spying.
    I don’t like to see western media shitting on another country due to economic wars, especially as we have seen how far China has come in recent times of industrialisation and modernisation of the country.
    I understand barely how hard this would be, and congratulate China and the Chinese government on these efforts, especially with the disruptions that the US is famous for world over.

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    1. You sound very young and not too wise in the ways of the world. China is a vast area and if you know their culture, can speak dialects of Chinese or have a very close Chinese friend able to show you China…by all means go but if none of the above is true, you will be in trouble the first time you drop a piece of paper on the street. Note how clean the streets are? There are lots of rules in this communist country and they are to be respected. It’s really none of the US business how China cares for and protects it’s population. We in America have our own internal war to fight. why not join the fight right here to keep America free and to keep it working as a free and not a socialist or communist state. Every American should join in this fight because if not. You will find out very up close and personal what it’s like to live in a communist/socialist country and it’s not pretty for most.

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      1. Oh, no. The first and foremost thing American tourists love in China is that they can actually drink outside. Or when you make noise at night, your neighbor will shout at you rather than calling the police instantly. I don’t where did you learn that silly “drop paper on the street” thing–probably something happened in your own town and you got pissed off? Your bias against so-called communist countries says enough about your ignorance and the evil you would do if you in any way are in power.

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      2. I’m really confused… Your cave actually has an internet connection.. so instead of just believing the stuff you see online. Why not just use that internet connection and book an airticket..
        Come on, travel more.. see the world. Get out of your caveman mentality!
        Yes China is a communist country. It’s just a political system and things change. Why can’t things change.. hard to explain, just visit China and you will know. And while you are at it… Visit the whole of Asia and South East Asia too. The real reason is this region is fast becoming the centre of development and prosperity. That’s the real reason uncle Sam is poking his nose into things he should not.

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      1. utter rubbish! You are free to go, film, talk to locals and explore the area. Your brainwashed ignorance is so typical of all yanks.

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    3. at first i thought this is so but after watching youtube video of overseas tibetan and other tourist travelling it seem easy enough. abit trickery for the tibetan as she has to get a permit ahead of time, but western tourist has been riding the train into xinjiang and posting their travels without issue.

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    6. i traveled there n spoke with lots of people. I didn’t have any problem but I speak Chinese; even then I had fair amount of problem communication directly with some locals. That was over 10 yrs ago. Not sure how far you can get nowadays speaking only English, probably not very far unless u hire an interpreter.

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    10. No one seems to have responded to you, so I’ll take a minute to answer.

      Is it safe to travel to Xinjiang? YES.
      Is it safe to travel to Xinjiang, look around, and ask questions without fear of government reprisal? VEHEMENTLY, NO.

      Honestly, Xinjiang is such a beautiful place with so much culture, it is definitely worth a visit.
      I’ve backpacked all over Xinjiang extensively on 6 occasions between 2012 and 2017, including around the less traveled parts of the southern Tarim Basin.
      Even then, there are still places that I haven’t been to and would love to visit……

      ……However, the dangers in Xinjiang come not from the locals but from the government.
      In an attempt to make Xinjiang ‘safe’, the authorities have turned Xinjiang into the most extreme ‘police state’ found anywhere in China.
      You must be very wary that everything you do in Xinjiang is being watched and you can get kicked out for no reason, at least not for a reason that is disclosed to you.
      Getting kicked out is actually a luxury for tourists, because if you were a local you’d face incarceration and/or worse.

      On my early trips to Xinjiang, people had a lot more freedom and I made lots of ethnic-minority friends (Uyghur, Kazakh, Mongols).
      By 2016, very obvious changes started happening.

      Two such examples:
      1) I was stopped by police in the streets of Urumqi at night (only a little past 9PM) when walking around with a Uyghur friend.
      They ‘interrogated’ us, our motives, where we came from, where we were going, etc.
      Then the police said that it was too late at night and instructed me to go back to my hotel or suffer consequences.
      That was my first, though not the last, time to experience a curfew in Xinjiang.
      Urumqi(Wulumuqi) is the capital of Xinjiang province and where the authorities are ‘nicest’. They get worse as you visit smaller cities and towns.

      2) Over the year, many of my Xinjiang friends of ethnic minorities started deleting me from their WeChat (China’s most popular messaging app for those who are not familiar).
      I didn’t understand it at first, but then some of the braver ones explained why before they deleted me.
      Police would force them to hand over their phones at check points and would look through their phone/WeChat to see who they were talking to.
      If was “not good for them and their families” if they were found talking to a foreigner.
      They told me that they could be locked up or worse if they did not break off communication immediately.
      Many of these friends even went so far as to give up their smart phones in exchange for older flip phones, because it caused less hassle for them with police.

      Keep in mind that the ‘police state’ is most obvious to the ethnic minorities in Xinjiang.
      Han people get preferential treatment by the authorities and, I admit, I’ve never had many problems when traveling with Han people in Xinjiang.
      There are Han people in Xinjiang that will even tell you they are “unaware” of any unfair practices against minority groups.
      I find that hard to believe when anyone can see the police tearing through suitcases and scrolling through phones of Uyghurs and minorities at the security checkpoints.
      On the other hand, Han people pretty much walk through security without any hassle.
      Don’t believe me? Go to any Xinjiang train station and you can see this happening. If you think American TSA is bad, think again.

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      My last trip to Xinjiang was during the winter of late 2017, where my negative experience with the ‘police state’ was the final straw for me.
      This is what happened.

      Knowing Xinjiang is a police state, I always visit the police station before leaving Urumqi to travel.
      I let them know about my travel intentions, inquire if there are any restrictions, and if there are any new or local laws I must abide by.
      This is good practice traveling anywhere, really, but even more so in Xinjiang.
      The police tell me that I can travel freely anywhere in Xinjiang, go anywhere a Chinese citizen can go, as long as it is not a military base or installation.

      So after checking in with the police, I travel by train with my Mongolian friend to her hometown.
      Her ancestral home is a farm in the mountains, far from a small town in the prefecture of Bayingolin.
      (***Few foreigners go to this town, and my visit can be easily traced with this information, so I will refrain from naming it in order to protect my friend. I will just refer to the place as Bayingolin.)
      Before I can exit the train station, we must pass through a police checkpoint.
      It takes them half an hour to record all my passport information and for my friend to “vouch” for my entry into this area.
      We then hire a pick up truck and drive over half a day to her family farm in the mountains. (People here normally hire drivers that are going the same way because it is so far.)
      We arrive in the evening, have dinner and go to sleep.

      Before I have time to eat breakfast the following morning, the police have called up my friend and started interrogating her over my visit.
      They tell her that she is to take me back to Urumqi immediately with the given instructions:
      1) We must be on the train and leave Bayingolin by midnight. (Keep in mind it took us over half a day by car just to get to the farm from the train station.)
      2) We can not stop for meals and can only stop to use the rest rooms. (We did not eat the whole day until we got back to Urumqi.)
      3) I must report to a police station in Urumqi within 24 hours to show that I have complied.
      4) They threaten to revoke my visa and blacklist me if we fail to meet the deadline.
      5) They threaten her family with undisclosed consequences if we fail to meet the deadline.
      6) They threaten us with consequences even if we are unsuccessful in hiring a driver to take us back to the train station. (Sometimes it can take half a day or longer to find someone going the same way into town.)

      My poor friend is scared out of her mind, she doesn’t even have time to say goodbye to her grandfather who is out tending sheep.
      Thankfully it only takes us two hours to flag down a car.
      We barely make the midnight cut off, and arrive in Urumqi early morning.

      After this ordeal:
      1) No reason is ever given as to why foreigners are not allowed in Bayingolin, because that was the ultimate excuse for the local authorities to kick me out.
      2) No reason is ever given why they let me into Bayingolin in the first place, if foreigners are truly not allowed. (They could have just denied entry at the train station exit check point after seeing my passport.)
      3) No reason is ever given as to why Urumqi police still maintains that foreigners can go anywhere in Xinjiang, in direct contradiction to my experience in Bayingolin.

      The story doesn’t end here.
      I go to the largest police station in Urumqi to register my arrival, hoping to try to get some answers, to better understand the situation so that it doesn’t happen again.
      I also want to get clarity for my friend, because I don’t want her, or any of my other Xinjiang friends, to be penalized for traveling with me in the future.

      I ask to speak to an officer who has authority/knowledge on foreign travelers in Xinjiang.
      They let me speak to Officer Badge# SM3333. (Please be smart and record the badge numbers of any and all officers you interact with so you can protect yourself.)
      He reiterates that all places in Xinjiang are open to foreigners except military facilities.
      I ask him why Bayingolin is telling me otherwise.
      He replies he doesn’t know why and says I could have ignored the local police orders. WHAT!?!?
      He insists Xinjiang is very nice to travelers and questions whether I fabricated the entire story. WHAT!?!?!?
      So I call the Bayingolin local police back in front of him.
      I can hear the officers on the other end of the call, passing the phone back and forth, until someone finally confirms that foreigners are not allowed.
      Hearing this, he says that if they really wanted me to leave, they could have sent officers to escort me out of the prefecture. WHAT!?!?!?!?
      Furthermore, since we left Bayingolin on our own, we are responsible for our actions and can not blame the local police for kicking me out. WHAT!?!?!?!?!?
      So basically it was my fault for not waiting for the police to show up and drag me out of Bayingolin and now their hands are clean.
      What a perfect case of ‘Die if you Do, Die if you Don’t.’

      After this ridiculous exchange, I ask to speak to the head officer in charge.
      Another officer comes out, claiming to be the department chief. Badge# 012115.
      Before I can ask him a single question, he takes my passport and tells me to only speak when spoken to.
      He then proceeds to record information from my passport and questions my motives in Xinjiang.
      I tell him I am here for tourism and just want to understand what happened in Bayingolin when he cuts me off.
      He says, and I will quote, “你的中文不错，看起来挺聪明的。我建议你现在去机场离开这里。你应该能听懂我的意思。”
      This translate to, “Your Chinese is pretty good, and you look pretty smart. I advise you to go to the airport right now and leave. You should understand what I am saying.”
      He walks away and instructs everyone at the police station not to talk to me any more and has officers escort me off the grounds of the police station.

      Anyone who understands the situation in Xinjiang knows I got off easy.
      If I actually did something to break the law, they could and would have just arrested me then and there.
      Instead, they resort to threats to shut me up and prevent me from ‘asking questions’.

      I really want to press the matter because I didn’t do anything wrong and I am not worried about what they will do to me.
      Unfortunately, my friend resides in Xinjiang and my actions could have repercussions for her and her family.
      I reluctantly go to the airport, buy a ticket and leave, being watched by the police who followed me.
      And that’s the last time I went to Xinjiang.

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      Anyways, take what you will from my experiences.
      I don’t like Western media shi**ing on China or other countries either, so I didn’t comment on the concentration camp stuff.

      There are always people who go to a place as a simple tourist, visit the touristy destinations, leave and claim the place was delightful and awesome, blah blah blah.
      And then there are those of us that have spent considerable time with local minority friends in Xinjiang, with more than enough experience to validate the severity of the ‘police state’ in the province.

      So, again, to answer your question.
      Is it safe to travel to Xinjiang? YES. I encourage all fellow foreigners to visit Xinjiang if you get the chance.
      Is it safe to travel to Xinjiang, look around, and ask questions without fear of government reprisal? NO. I pray you are conscious of the situation in Xinjiang, mindful of your interactions with locals and refrain from questioning the authorities.

      Good luck and safe travels.

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      1. https://epistlenews.co.uk/asia/10/01/how-china-is-saving-millions-of-youth-from-radical-islamic-indoctrination.html
        All these measures is necessary for heaven’s sake. I’ld so much prefered the authority to have strict measures than to get myself bombed in Xinjiang or elsewhere in China! U are only talking from ur own naive perspectives of how strict how oppresive they are, without realizing they need to, they are maintaining law and order so as to protect the pple and ur own ass. Don’t forget if there’s more and more uryghur trained in the Middle East(to fight the west), then come back to China to secretly trained other young uryghur, it’s very hard to sought them out cause everyone on the streets u just can’t tell (some uryghurs are mixed hans descendants but are also heavily brainwashed by radical Islamic extremists). If all hell break loose, ur friends of all ethnics, who are just innocent pple living there, will not only lose stability but their homes, their jobs, their livelihood, their lifestyle, their dreams, even their lives if gorilla War sprouts(This is happening in so many parts of the world, one example is the 3 southern states of Thailand, where Muslims are bombing innocent pple, not only military. How u expect Authority to protect the pple if they can’t check on everyone and ordered them to go home if there’s a curfew?! I always feel safe in train station, airport when they have strict inspection over everyone and their belongings.

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      2. thanks for sharing.. the whole exchange with the authorities sounds dodgy as hell for an ignorant outsider like me.

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      3. Yea, they could be pretty blunt like do and don’t rather than explaining the protocol and matter to give knowledge to anyone (They surely not want anyone to spy on their nation). Even though China is getting modernize, but they are still a country that operates in a kingdom method. When you’re in the house of Queen of England, they do have practice in similarity, and China is doing it this way to oversee the whole of China. That’s what makes it different from some other nation, they certainly have no interest from outside influence in their jurisdiction.

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      4. Do you know that there was terrorism there before 2016?? You never mentioned the history of the region.

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      5. Your whole story sounds a bit fishy.
        1. Period you where talking about 2014-2017, probably one of the toughest times in terms of security, because there were still frequent terrorist attacks during those times, of which the bomb attack in Urumqi in 2015 was extremely terrifying, but in your recounts of ‘police state’ you seem to not mention about the on-going attacks throughout Xinjiang during this period. After all only after 2017 was there finally a stop to constant terror attacks. Even in 2018, I remember seeing a video of masses of people fleeing the metro in Urumqi simply because 2 people got into an argument. The first reaction people around had was to run for their lives because they thought there would be an imminent terror attack, so you can tell people were absolutely on edge. That is not reflected in your ‘experience’.
        2. In case you are not aware, there are many CIA agents who pose either as tourists, researchers or journalist that are actually there helping to recruit and organize or radicalize local population, so yes while there was free travel earlier on in Xinjiang, ultimately the actions of these agents put a halt to it.
        3. 9 pm in Urumqi is still bright out and bustling with nightlife activities, this is especially evident in Anni-Guli’s vlogs, the only way to explain why it was dark and not many people is that you visited during the winter periods, which is not the tourist season which in turn would make your visit suspicious.
        4. You mention about being with an ethnic Mongolian and being hassled by police because of it, contrasting to you hanging out of ‘Han-friends’ and not being hassled. But ultimately Mongolians and Hans cannot be distinguished by physical features.
        5. You understood police conversation with you, but cannot tell from police phone conversation hints to ‘reason’ why you have to leave the area.
        6. Uyghur friends quitting wechat friends with you because their phone had to be ‘checked’. This implies these Uyghur friends have either returned from abroad (which their devices would be checked for extremists materials, even Han people returning from abroad during those periods will have their possessions checked and be sent to counseling, don’t lie, I too have friends there and while it is true in that period it was harder and more costly to travel broad from Xinjiang, my friend’s relatives chose to travel to an inland city to fly and return, and when they returned they were questioned and brought to counseling sessions as well.), or they have browsing history of jumping the firewall/visiting illegal sites, local people who have not traveled abroad and have not visited illegal pages did not have their devices searched.
        7. I am more suspicious about who you are and what you were doing in Xinjiang because if you were just innocent friends as you proclaim there is no reason for them to unfriend you or change their phones. Mind you Wechat has history files which if there was a warrant, they be able to retrieve any deleted files.

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    11. It is safe to travel anywhere in China, as mother always tell the sons be safe as a precaution when you are away in a place not so familiar with your grow up area. It is as simple as this. I am from China, I wouldn’t say it is always safe when you are outside of home, but it feels safer than the City of New York or even Toronto.

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    12. Yes, even here in Singapore we have organised travels to all parts of China with touring agencies or you can choose to free and easy

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    13. I really don’t know why your guy are so ignorant, safe to travel there? Is it safe to travel to the US or I will risk to get shoot in one of the 500 yearly mas shootings or by a cop . Xinjiang is much safer that the US or EU. So yes to your question it is SAFE The whole of China is safe.

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    15. Give me a break. Both sides?
      Since when making up “millions detaining in concentration camps” qualify as “fair”?
      Just because a crazy guy named Zenz extrapolated number as he wishes, backed by zero data, to come up with 1,1 million, 1,8 million, even 3 million, the side clearly lying in the most outrageous fashion has “fair points”?
      A rational being can only laugh about all this crap.

      Inform yourself!!!
      https://nomadicthoughts.blogs.sapo.pt/debunking-western-propaganda-against-23998

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    16. I am a common Chinese Citizen, I often surfs on Twitter, Youtube, Facebook and etc, most description from western media is rediculous. When you go to Xinjiang, you will see a province filled with peace&love. Maybe there is some police guarding to defense the attack from terriost, but police will stay calm towards people. If you wanna know the real situation in anywhere in China, the best way is to see it by yourself after the 2019-nSoV disease. If you are planning to come to China,email me, I may give you some suggestions.

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    17. Well, currently you need a guide to travel to Xinjiang (though I heard and have seen many people wander off alone on Youtube, some China Youtubers have traveled to Xinjiang or are planning to e.g Daniel Dumbrill. You can follow them if you want, there are also Uyghur youtubers based in Urumqi, one is called 安妮古丽, though she does most of her vlogs in Mandarin, only one video has English subtitles and it’s the one where she receives the youtube silver playbutton). It’s not free travel as much anymore because previously China had allowed free travel to Xinjiang and Tibet and gave ‘journalists’ pass to interview people. However, many these journalists, rather than give fair reporting, was actually passing extremist materials and connecting people with extremist organisations, as a result there were some serious terrorist attacks that happened in Tibet and Xinjiang, which the Western media reported as ‘freedom fighters’ or played down the violent and targeted nature of these attacks for their own political agendas, and omitted the horrendous acts many of these extremists committed.

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    1. Looks like some truth and some propaganda so take it with a grain of salt. Either way it’s certainly not American’s business, we have our own problems trying to keep the socialist and communist out.

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      1. Whilst you are ‘keeping the commies out’ your government is keeping hundreds of children in detention, holding the most people in the world in its jails, spying on you, sending your kids to kill other people’s kids and maybe to be killed too… I could go on but I think you will have got the drift. Your enemy is not socialism but your government.

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      2. I bet you don’t even know what socialism is. You’ve just been raised to fear it without anyone bothering to explain it to you.

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  7. I didn’t have cable or satellite TV and did not watch much network TV. More than 20 years ago there was supposed to be unrest in Xinjiang and there was footage of a man in red jacket get off his motorbike and beat up a bystander. Captions: Anti government unrest in Xinjiang. I was amazed. People beat up fellow city mates to protest the government? And CNN on hand to capture this two-person episode?

    Some uprising indeed!

    KC

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  8. mmmmm, had initially put this ‘news’ down to Western propaganda, another excuse to demonise China.

    But after watching the Vice News Tonight episode – “China’s Vanishing Muslims: Undercover In The Most Dystopian Place In The World” – I got a distinct case of the heebie jeebies.

    Unfortunately, with the crude restrictions on freedom of expression, association, debate and investigation that the state appears to enforce (no doubt to the envy of governments the world over), it seems impossible to get a truly reliable idea of what is going on there. But things did seem particularly ‘dystopian’.

    Being British by birth, I see ‘dystopian’ all around me in the wars of aggression in the Middle East, the demonisation and ill treatment of migrants and Muslims, the absolute surveillance of private citizens, the nefarious marriage of money & politics, etc. etc. So do not make the mistake of believing my concerns about this subject are simply the further vilification of China that we see in the propaganda of many governments and their compliant mass media stooges.

    Whilst technically being British, I consider myself a human being first and foremost, as I do my fellow human beings whether they be living in Xinjiang, Beijing, Cape Town, Bogota, San Francisco or anywhere else on this wonderful planet we all call home. We are all Citizens of the World.

    So to those commentators who would dismiss my opinions, or my wish to express them, on the basis that I should not concern myself with what is going on in China or with what the government of China is doing; or that the vile abuses levelled at people within and outside my home nation by Western governments somehow precludes me from engaging in conversation on the situation in Xinjiang, I would simply reiterate the words of the Good Doctor when he said that an “injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere”. A sentiment which I assume resonates with all of us human beings, wherever we happen to reside.

    As the saying goes, “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” and the article above mentions several, often professed, good intentions behind what is occurring in Xinjiang, be it; strengthening national unity or identity; enhancing security and stability; eradicating poverty and offering education to those without, etc.

    All very noble considerations, but at what cost?

    To forcibly relocate tens of thousands of people puts me in mind of the European migrants and their “acquisition” of native lands in North America, evicting the legitimate and indigenous humans from their ‘homeland’.
    The re-education camps have numerous precedents across the colonised worlds where so called ‘savage’ people were helped to become ‘civilised’ in their oppressors’ image.
    Those children whose parents are kidnapped and bussed off for ideological re-education, who are themselves then transported to ‘boarding’ schools and kindergartens? The Inuits of Canada and Aborigines of Australia will be familiar with the heartbreak and pain caused by this ‘kindness’ in the name of assimilation.

    All too often, the errors and horrors of history are repeated ad nauseum and I fervently believe it is the responsibility of us all to question and challenge this as if our lives depended on it, because undoubtedly someone’s life does depend on it. Maybe not our own life, not today, but definitely somebody’s life, someday.

    Is ‘development’ really worth the pain, the dislocation, the despair, that is caused? The individuals detained, the freedoms restricted, the families torn apart?
    So that someone can then judge themselves privileged to watch another homogenised television version of “Somebody’s Got Talent”, living in an anonymous concrete box perched high above another anonymous McCity?

    Is there no other ‘means’ to achieve the laudable ends of a healthy, educated & secure existence for all those in our communities?

    Unless you’re on the receiving end of such policies, I think it is difficult to answer these questions truthfully. All too often, what happens to ‘Them’ is easily disregarded as we struggle with our own lives as ‘Us’.
    But as Pastor Niemöller so aptly stated, one day ‘Them’ could very well be ‘Us’ – and the empathy this alludes to is an essential human trait that we should all nurture.

    I believe that we can find unity in diversity, that to celebrate another is to enrich ourselves, to defend others is to ultimately guarantee our own security.

    In the Vice documentary, an everyday woman responded to the attack on Uighur cultural identity by saying that Han and minorities must be the same in order to ensure unity.
    She referenced the “Three Togethers” – eat together, live together, work together. Itself a laudable sentiment but “Togetherness” and “Sameness” are not the same thing.

    How stultifyingly boring life would be if all diversity was eradicated, that we all ate the same, thought the same, enjoyed the same?
    Where everybody ate noodles for breakfast or burgers for lunch or pizza for dinner. Where everybody listened to the same music or enjoyed the same humour or wore the same clothes.
    No more would we ask the question “do you like…?” or “what do you think about….?”

    To be human is to be diverse. No human alive today, no human who has ever lived or ever will live, is identical. We are all unique and it is our very differences that ultimately unite us.
    To attempt to forcibly remove these differences or to deny us the freedom to express these differences is to make us ‘unhuman’, to create robots that are more easily ‘managed’.

    It is this that I fear may be happening in Xinjiang to the Uighur men, women and children, as it is happening and has happened all over the world at one time or another, as it happens now in the part of the world I grew up in where there are those who would prefer people to simply be vigorous consumers, pliant workers, unquestioning followers and docile citizens.

    It is this that we struggle against, that we have always struggled against and will probably continue to struggle against till the end of time. Because our freedom to ‘be’, the freedom of our communities not to be ‘coerced’ into uniformity, the freedom of ourselves to find a peaceful coexistence outside of tyranny and brutality is at the core of a human being, the happiness that we strive for, for ourselves and for our fellows.

    I admit to knowing next to nothing about the situation in Xinjiang as I’m sure there are plenty of people in Xinjiang itself who know next to nothing about what is going on.
    This is why I am happy to have stumbled across this article and also the Vice documentary, to fill in some of the gaps in my ignorance, to answer questions and raise more.

    But what is known does already worry me:
    What happens in these forced re-education camps? Will we ever know? What is hidden & why?
    And what is not known worries me even more. Because we know that governments and bureaucrats can act unfeelingly in pursuit of ideology (I’m guessing many Chinese know this more painfully than I). We know that minorities are often easily and casually abused and we know that when decent people stand idle, evil can flourish.

    And it terrifies me that whilst all debate on this is limited to “this side is good and that side is bad” or “the end justifies the means”, small children will be crying themselves to sleep, mothers and fathers will be sick with worry, separated, isolated, in unfamiliar surroundings, hundreds of miles from one another and from their homes, their communities, their neighbours & friends, with no contact and no idea if their loved ones are well, unable to console one another.

    This is no way to live & I truly would not wish it on my worst enemy.

    More than this I do not know and cannot say, but history teaches us that terror lurks in darkness. I give my utmost respect and solidarity to those, like yourselves, shining a light on and searching for the truth in Xinjiang.

    Peace,
    Josh

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    1. if your view of China is based on VICE then I am afraid to say that you are as ignorant of the Chinese people, the Chinese ‘way’ and the Chinese ‘socialist/communist’ government.NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON who has made the stupidly ignorant comments on here has ever bother to go there. I have, I lived in China, I have seen and met 1000s of expats, brits/ yanks/ italians/ germans/dutch etc etc etc and ALL, EVERY single one of them LOVE it there and NOT ONE will EVER move back home as they ALL feel safer there than in their own countries, and the are Christians, muslims and agnostics. London with all your stabbing etc etc, USA with all the police brutality, school killings etc etc etc is safe?? Your UK that designed the concentration camps and starved to death 1000s and 1000s of innocent women and children and with your criminal regime USA has murdered millions in all the fake wars you have taken part in in all the illegal invasions of sovereign states do not have right to say one single negative word about China which has never invaded another country, has been invaded, pillaged and robbed for decades by your criminal regime, poisoned by YOUR opium trade and not once ever supported by your nation.
      FACT =USA/ CIA and UK/MI5 etc have, from Laos and Cambodia infiltrated the region with terrorists YOU have trained to launch over 2000 attacks on innocent civilians including the mass attack by drug crazed wankers supported by you and the CIA on a small town where they ran around hacking people to death. Those in the few camps ARE TERRORISTS! Scum, trained by our self righteous government of liars, killers, assassins, thieves and criminals. I have with my own eyes seen shipments of explosives , weapons, ammunition sent by your government to African countries in support of TERRORISTS. You claim to worry about crying women and children. Bollocks! Your nation are cowards like the Ausies and the yanks who sit on your fat butts while your countries commit mass murder and starvation on nations like Yemen and Venezuela etc etc etc etc. Dont even PRETEND to care! I have seen the result for your BS care for crying women an children with their faces dripping and melting off form your illegal frantam and phosphorous bombs and blind, smashed up children screaming for their father with their guts in their hands and one eye hanging out looking down at the ground so stuff your ‘care’ for women and children that YOUR wanker government murders EVERY SINGLE day. You 4 nations, USA/UK/Australia and Canada are the worlds worst sponsors of global terrorism and mass murder because you citizens are all so brainwashed and such cowards you LET IT ALL HAPPEN. Bollocks to you all!

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      1. I gotta say that I think I would much rather use a Chinese train terminal than one in the U.S. and believe me, I shit red, white and blue (but not on the sidewalk, which is my point here). To prove your last point I will post a version of this article to face book and watch the vitriol (or indifference) flow towards me from my countrymen. I have been lambasting my friends with images of hungry children in memes ridiculing our illegal sanctions for a little while now (gotta get tough with these dictator types by starving this child here) and actually I was surprised by the six or so that agreed that it was evil. So maybe when we paint with the broad brush we miss the individual exception. I think some of the problem is that my countrymen can’t understand the Confucian oriented thinking that values the harmonious society, which is to bad because social cohesion is disintegrating at a horrific pace here. So if you wish to classify me with pretense, nothing will stop you, but I would suggest you are more persuasive with a more nuanced approach. No person, or system is perfect.

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    2. “Being British by birth, I see ‘dystopian’ all around me in the wars of aggression in the Middle East, the demonisation and ill treatment of migrants and Muslims”

      Too bad you don’t notice the much more obvious ‘ill treatment’ of British children by Muslim rape gangs in Rotherham, etc.

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      1. Amen, my heart goes out to you all in the U.K. with tides of “migrants” which, I’m sure there are two or three that are class acts and “grateful to be there” solid types; but the groomer gangs, acid attacks (on tots none-the-less!) glassing, stabbings, vehicular assaults and so on… well, if I could fix it, I would in less than a moment. Forward with intensity my man!

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      2. who says I “don’t notice” that ill treatment?
        But I would disagree that it is “more obvious”, unless you are simply looking for excuses to shore up a preconceived prejudice.
        Knowing a few people working in Child Protection Services, I know that the overwhelming majority of cases of child abusers in Britain are white men. Britain is predominantly a white society so that statistic is probably not surprising.
        But I wouldn’t deduce from that fact that it is a characteristic of white men to abuse children or somehow part of their (my!) culture, unless I had a preconceived prejudice I wanted to reinforce. Likewise, the “Muslim rape gang” trope is similarly ill conceived and essentially self serving to those propagandised into hating/fearing some “other” people.
        I fear to imagine the scope of “elite” human trafficking and pedophilia suggested by the scandals of Epstein, Jimmy Savile, Edward Heath, Cyril Smith, Catholic Church, etc. etc. Obviously a lot more white there than Muslim or brown.
        British Muslim isn’t the problem, pedophiles are the problem and to disproportionately denigrate the former gives the latter free reign to operate under the radar, especially as we find out again and again that they are repeatedly operating from positions of power within the establishment, the very White establishment, over generations.
        Perhaps you ought to look beyond the “obvious”.

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  9. p.s.

    Just a more positive note to balance my rather glum & worrisome post above, to say that China, its recent developments, rich history and potential on the global stage in the 21st Century fascinate and excite me.

    China’s potential to be a global hub for technological and environmental development is almost unimaginable in scale and this is what I find so exciting. I have been travelling with my bicycle for more than 5 years, through Europe, East Africa, South Asia and now South East Asia with China as my destination, to explore, witness & interact there for myself, to a small degree – as it’s such a big country!!

    But with global developments over the past 30 years in particular and 80 years in general, in terms of society and social development, I just hope that the mistakes & injustices of the past are not compounded in the rush to change but rather avoided wherever possible.

    And whilst I am concerned over such dangers, I am ever optimistic that human beings will continue to find a way to ensure their freedoms are protected alongside the well being of our communities. As a nation of some considerable number of human beings, I can only imagine China will continue along this path in ways we cannot yet imagine.

    But if we are going to collectively manifest that Other World that is possible, we do need to be ever vigilant and proactive. For I have seen & experienced the dangers of authoritarianism and blind consumerism in my own lifetime, dangers for our communities, our environments and our selves, dangers highlighted by the likes of Orwell, Huxley & many others in all parts of the World.

    As a species, I believe we do better and better every generation, but as the magnitude of our successes increases exponentially, so too do the potential risks of ill conceived or poorly implements policies.

    Freedom is key, without which all else is but a temporary distraction.

    …….sorry to waffle on so much, I have been travelling alone for the past couple of months and am probably lacking a bit of social interaction besides the fleeting conversations I have along the Way :-)))

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    2. Hi Josh, you are a charming individual, very different from the ones I know in the UK who speaks only for the best and right things in Western democractic societies and put down other nations, regimes or cultures in a hyprocritical way! I am also a human being, enjoying living and helping to make this universe a peaceful place to live in and preferably with the infusion of love, tolerance, acceptance and understanding of all the different fellow humans on earth. After all, we are passers-by in our limited time and space. Why can’t we gather up to rejoice over our existence or perhaps a chance to meet instead of digging into others’ faults and gaining an upperhand due to greed for power and money? If you reside in the UK, I would like to salute you! I am an ‘import-ant’ with only a tiny voice ….

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      1. Hello Ant,
        Thankyou for your kind words.

        Rest assured that my sentiments are shared by countless numbers of other humans living on my home island of Britain 🙂 as
        they are by the overwhelming majority of our fellow humans across the planet, as I’m sure you’ll agree.

        We are largely ignored by the mainstream voices of ruling minorities and their media echo boxes as we do not promote their
        divisive and supremacist ideologies, but we exist, we challenge, we struggle, we persevere and, eventually, we prevail as
        compassion and cooperation are simply essential elements to ensure the survival of our species.

        The ‘divide & conquer’ tactics of those who would seek to enrich themselves at the expense of the majority and the
        overwhelming pervasiveness of the propaganda they employ is hard to counter and we are all susceptible, to a greater or lesser degree.

        So much so, that eventhough we live in a very interconnected world, the fallacy of our separateness is foisted on us to an
        alarming degree.

        But it is a fallacy, an illusion that invariably fails and falls.

        I realise that I will be writing nothing new to you, Ant, but it is nice to put down these thoughts and share them with yourself & others on this internet, in solidarity on the Line 🙂 Apologies for ‘hogging’ so much page space.

        I have been travelling with my bicycle from Britain to China for the past five and a half years, through Europe, East Africa,
        East Asia and now South East Asia, largely living and working in local communities along the Way.
        What has been most rewarding has been the near constant reaffirmation of our common humanity, that despite all the
        misconceptions and prejudices we suffer from, underneath it all is a commonality that transcends all the divisiveness and
        differences that we are led to believe separate us.

        The community I grew up in is one rich in struggle, against the poverty and social injustices suffered both within and without our island. But it is amazing how little of this is known by the people I have travelled amongst. And in equal measure, there are whole swathes of human history from within their communities of which I have been largely ignorant.

        The joy of sharing those stories and breaking down some of the walls of ignorance between us, of eating, living, working and
        laughing together is a truly beautiful experience.

        Whilst the minority that maintain the status quo are empowered by the digital age and revel in their ability to further
        spread their obsolete ideologies, the very tool of their mischief will be their downfall because it is essentially ‘ours’ and, despite their efforts to the contrary, it is and will always be open. You, I & others can share our ideas here, find commonality and iron out differences, if need be. If not here, then there, or somewhere, anywhere and everywhere. I think this terrifies them.

        Whilst falsehoods can spread with alarming rapidity, especially with the complicity of mainstream media, they are blown away
        just as easily and therefore need to be constantly replaced and reinvented, the conveyor belt of “Enemies” to keep us fearful
        and compliant – in Britain, the ‘Them’ in “Them & Us” has been West Indians, the Irish, South Asians, Muslims, minorities, refugees, migrants, the poor, gypsies, young people, brown people, teenage mothers, domestic terrorists, international terrorists, Russia, China, drug dealers, etc. etc. When in fact the biggest dangers to our health and social well being, more often than not, come from individuals who adopt the roles of those most ‘upstanding’ in our communities, in politics, business and covert ‘intelligence’.

        However, a Truth stands the test of time. Once stated it resonates within us all and is indestructible. The best that those
        purveyors of falsity can hope to do is hide that truth under mountains of disinformation and distraction or simply behind a
        wall of silence. But even then it shines, it rings out and it will not go away.

        I realise nothing I say is new or original, merely restating that which we all know within ourselves and which has been reflected on and articulated be much wiser humans than I throughout our communities and histories, but it’s nice to share some nice thoughts with you Ant, after enjoying your own nice thoughts.
        An Import Ant, nice 🙂 A drop in an ocean of thought, a grain of sand in a blooming desert. Perhaps it is this admirable and essential humility that sets us apart from those who feel supremely deserving and seek happiness in self aggrandisement.

        Before I sign off and go and play computer games at the local Cyber cafe (I’m resting in Saigon before cycling north to China), I’ll share two quotes your post reminded me of, from much more erudite people than me :-))

        “Rise, like lions after slumber
        In unvanquishable number!
        Shake your chains to earth like dew
        Which in sleep had fallen on you:
        Ye are many—they are few!”

        ― Percy Bysshe Shelley, part of the poem “The Masque of Anarchy”, Written on the occasion of the Massacre at Manchester.

        “When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world wil know peace”

        – Jimmy Hendrix (with a ‘hat tip’ to Sri Chinmoy)

        Peace,
        Josh

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    3. so a case like Rotherham is conflated with a class example of white men… I realize there is a gulf between perception and fact. In the U.S. eye witness testimony is one of the more notorious proofs and one that an attorney will generally seek to impeach. We also have a fairly diverse population, yet Caucasians still make up over half of the population, and a much larger one than in the U.K., Native Americans are one of the smallest and have horrifically high levels of child molestation. Right behind these are Hispanics followed by Black Americans and then Caucasians (or whites generally); Asians have a low rate, though it seems that those from India and Pakistan seem to molest their boys at a higher rate than say north Asians. Yet if we look at numbers, the whites, with a lower rate of molestation have more instances of child abuse because of their larger overall representation in the population. You would want to look at the rate of engagement in said activity. How many white groomer gangs are on record in the U.K.? Then correlate with the population size and then compare this with available data points for say, Asian peoples in a given sample (of chomos.. in the U.S. we say chomo as a contraction).

      Having a ton of Anthropology credits I can say that there are of course large variations within these groupings. A high caste man is much less likely to molest his son than someone of lower caste and so on. Pakistan tends to favor readings of the Koran which stipulate that all are free to marry whoever they wish, and because of clan structures and tradition it keeps more wealth within the extended relation group if one marries their daughter off to a brother, uncle or cousin. Good for the clan, but not so great for the gene pool.
      It sounds as if you do in fact need some down time or social interaction. Perhaps you might wish to investigate a phenomena called liminality. It originated by the observations of a folklorist (Arnold van Gannep) and than was used to examine sociopolitical and cultural conditions (Rene Girard). Of course I backed into it because an anthropologist (Victor Turner), who describes situations where humans are between one definite state and another; coming of age rituals for instance (the subject is neither child nor adult). The state produces tension and confusion the longer the basis of reality is suspended.
      “The attributes of liminality are necessarily ambiguous. . . Liminal entities are neither here nor there; they are betwixt and between the positions assigned and arrayed by law, custom, convention and ceremonial.”

      —Victor Turner, The Ritual Process: Structure and Anti-Structure (95)
      But look at what Marshal McLuhan says:
      “Radical changes of identity, happening suddenly and in very brief intervals of time, have proved more deadly and destructive of human values than wars fought with hardware weapons.”
      —Marshall McLuhan, Laws of Media: The New Science
      Now I know much less about say, old timey Bolshevist theory about dialectical action; but lets assume that the assorted intelligence aparats of the west (or the world for that matter) understand these concepts very well. I mean, one does not run an operation Gladio (or any of the “stay behind armies” that NATO ran) with shoestrings and swizzle sticks. Now with this in mind, how can you say anything about freedom? How can you make claims about what is obvious? How can you assert an identity if such is drawn from externals (like “race”)? Is not the psyche within the human? Or is it that the mind is in charge and the body comes along as it’s bitch; we get to choose things like identity just as we like, based upon what suits us?

      As an aside: You mention Epstein, and I myself was curious because here we see the social elites, as opposed to the lower and middle of society in contravention of law and morality. I believe Costas claimed he backed off the charging docs because he was told Epstein “was an intelligence matter”. I was burning with curiosity because the “classic honey pot” is classic for a reason (its effective). Was that how Israeli intelligence gets a “leg up” on the political class here? Or maybe a joint venture of “intelligence sharing” with it being a CIA shop? Well, the world may never know, but I think it is apples and oranges to compare the social elite with the underclass in terms of predatory child abuse. I’m wrong just about a third of the time just by virtue of not having all the facts present (as are we all- which is something to think over the next time an official asks if you would like to make a statement, eh?).

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    1. Hmm, Socialism has problems with price calculation, and I’m not picking on anyone’s pet method here; all centralized planning and top down control mechanisms share this feature. I’m not exactly a fan of “Democracy” either. Though in truth, the U.S. started out with a republic that used democratic process, as opposed to being a “democracy”. Our schools bombard us with it, as does the media and soon enough it just gurgles out of everyone’s mouths here.

      But to be clear, Socialism isn’t Venezuela’s problem with feeding its people. That is more the U.S. control of the reserve currency and the British heisting the Venezuelan reserves (I want to say through the International Bank of Settlements, but I’m second guessing myself as I type this- maybe it was just BoE). But as this seems to be a fairly sharp group, I think most are aware of these differences and assorted shenanigans.

      What is necessary is a responsive system of maintaining actual justice and conditions of a high trust society. Look at Honk Kong and Singapore; neither has a tradition of what we could meaningfully call “western democratic principles and “rights”. Yet both enjoy an incredible amount trust that a contract signed today, will be honored at a later date. I hear Singapore has eased up on chewing gum and some littering, since the good old days; what with martial arts caning and such.
      Anyhow, we can call these ideologies what we wish, but I say the highest and best good delivered by government is a valuable, just service of law, and fostering a high trust and harmonious society. We could call it what we wish, but at the end of the day it has to deliver these high value goods.

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  13. I just want to say the government never push or convince us to give up our cultures and religions! Instead to protect our cultures! Learn mandarin is definitely necessary important thing for us. Because we need to get a good education good life better future! Some Western media wrote Chinese government have been assimilating us that’s lies ! We also learn English as well that you can’t say western countries are assimilating us as well !

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  15. The world is slowly but surely knows the evil evil and wicked scheme of US and Britain govt. inn every part of the world. The

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  18. To Americans, they have been taught they are the most open country, the most free country and the the strongest in the world. They are also the most arrogant country in the world especially it’s leaders. So much so that they condemn others they seem fit without getting the facts right

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    1. We are told its this free and open system, but a bit of study and examination will show that it is more akin to a neo-feudal technocracy that is run by a militaristic cabal. Its sad really, because my countrymen don’t understand that as our empire fails, it will become more authoritarian and repressive internally. Of course the vast majority will not listen to reason and there is a good chance that it may end badly for a lot of people. Here’s to hope (even if but a fool’s hope)!

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  19. A real eye opener. The west would only highlight the negative and makes China looks bad. Such positive infomation should be circulated and to more people outside China.
    Not many people has the opportunity to travel to Xinjiang.

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  20. Thank you for your insightful article and the debunking of the 1m myth. 1m in concentration camp ? Is this possible? There are about 9m uyghurs in Xijiang, so 1 in 9 in concentration camp? Can you imagine the logistics of housing 1m , including feeding them and the people that are needed to manage the camps? At say $1 a day to feed one person, it will cost the Chinese government $1m a day just to feed and keep these people alive! The Chinese government is much more prudent than to waste this amount every day. End day the western media has it own agenda, and basically that is to spite China and its progress for the last few decades. Underlying this is the western fear that the sicky and sleepy giant of the past is now healthy and strong and can challenge them. China has now turned the corner and is no longer weak. There is nothing that the west can do to change that but to accept gracefully China’s march to wealth and power. The present approach by the west to China has not changed for the last few centuries , but the days that the west being powerful and rule the world are closing soon, if no gone. Modern China , unlike the past centuries, can no longer be humiliated or will she tolerate it. So I urge you guys to adopt an objective view of the world rather than to be misled by propaganda.

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    1. Believe me, I love my homeland (America) and it is all I have known, but if I had the chance I would choose to grow with Eurasia. We seem only to destroy, control and siphon wealth away from others, but China, Russia and others in Eurasia seem to build, to grow and have an eye towards the future. Our culture is being squandered, abused and thrown away, and it is sad to watch. Actually, it is heart wrenching. If I speak out for free, open markets that foster peace, understanding and growth I am called a communist, yes thats right, I advocate the old, capital theory and they call me a “communist”! Reason turned around, and every fool has his madness crowned! Best wishes to you all.

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  21. This is an outstanding article with clean facts and photos written to defend the truth about the horrifically visored version popularised in the predominant mainstream media. I find the comments made here highly educational and committed to their cause.

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  22. It does seem hypocritical for the US to talk about brainwashing children and taking children away from their culture, etc. What pray tell has the System in America done but exactly that in dealing with the South? The textbooks in Communist China can scarcely be any more biased and designed to brainwash and “reeducate” Uighers than the ones in “our” school system here. It’s SOP in America to vilify the founding stock of the country and to demonize White people. And, just as with the Han Chinese, the System in America is engaged in a massive colonization program to replace the core ethnic group of the country with 3rd World colonists.

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    1. Oh amen there. Its absolutely insane, but they call them “climate refugees” now; you didn’t see the propaganda brief? As if there is a refuge anywhere; the bees don’t find their way back to the hives, the harvests are poor, and we pump the largest aquifer in the hemisphere to grow wheat and corn to keep the commodities speculators fed and wealthy. Our ag belt poisons the great river on down to the gulf with nutrient pollution that fosters algae blooms that are visible from space, while we blather about “property rights and freedom”. With each cycle of insanity it becomes more and more acceptable to scapegoat Americans with light skin tone, and the president who is constantly made out to be a “racial supremacist” wants to throw our due process and “worry about it later”. Enough to make my blood boil thinking about it… I blame the Yankee problem.

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  28. An enjoyable and educational article. Thank you for working to counter the West’s incessant propaganda.

    Just one minor note, however: Islam does not date back 2,000 years. It is centuries younger; therefore the region cannot have “mosques” dating back as far as you state. It’s possible there are 2,000-plus year old buildings that went on to become mosques; but they most assuredly did not start out as such.

    Of course, that does not refute your key point about the region’s long standing respect of, and tolerance for, the practice of Islam and for its adherents.

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  31. Very informative. China means well for all her citizens. Religious backwardness has no place in any country in this 21st century. God bless China🇨🇳!!!!

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  39. You are thinking about Singapore which is actually a democratic country.

    You are correct that you don’t see much rubbish in China but that is because they are communist they have low unemployment. One way they do this is by paying 100,000 of people to pick up rubbish and other jobs of minimal value.

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    1. Which is better:
      1. High unemployment rate and social unrest.
      2. Low unemployment with minimal salary for some minimal value jobs. BTW, people who are doing those jobs are mostly old and uneducated people. This is cruel and this is not how communist work. But by doing this, China is lifting millions out of extreme poverty.

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  40. There’s no communist or socialist in America, there’s only rich capitalist and democratic politician to suck ur blood dry, rising the price of everything cause they want a piece of cake in whatever they can get hold of.

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  41. Really felt sorry for mistaking Chinese Government policies and actions so for .As a true Indian citizen , the hatred which we developed towards China from younger age, closed my eyes till now .

    But seeing this video clipping be an eye opener . As explained in that clipping , every country has its own right and duty to protect it’s sovergin and soil. It is cent percent right to deal harshly with jihadists and separatists by Chinese authorities .

    Rather than peeping inside CCP and its management policies, the international community may focus on the good efforts and initiatives taken by the Chinese Government which made them proud and pioneer among all nations.

    We , Indians too , dream to modernise our country as like China . Hope our present Government is able to do this indomitable task one day forwhich we always want to establish friendly relationships with the Mighty China , our next door neighbor .
    Great..

    One day must visit Uighur and witness the Chinese growth ..

    Till then ..Bye.

    Rtn. Muruganandan
    India

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  44. This article contains facts that I didnt know before and the readers would benefit by these eye opening truths. But writing this as a factual report is better than involving the writers personal feelings and emotions.
    Keep it up.
    Give the facts to the western readers and let them see the truths. No personal emotions and accusations needed.

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  45. The kind of reporting we get in the UK about foreign countries is mainly investigative reporting. Digging up all the dirt. If other countries do the same with the UK, then the UK would be painted like the worst places in Glasgow and London for example where violent crime & prostitution, homelessness, drug addiction, dissatisfaction with the government, racial disharmony would all take on a disproportionately large part of the picture.
    China is going through rapid transformation, and the government has to be very cautious to maintain stability, and the world needs to understand that this is why China has to be so different from their world.
    The west has their fears, and currently whpped up by far right politicians. This is of grave concern.

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  46. America needs to retrospect and correct its crooked mind and wicked heart. It should live up to what it claims , ” In God we believe, ” and stop acting against God’s will . China doesn’t talk about God; it practises harmony , morality and follows The Great Nature’s way.

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